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I'm planning to buy a Siemens coffee machine from Europe. It uses 220-240V 50Hz. Previous models work just fine in USA using 240V outlet (my electrician was able to get it done, I bought leviton 5031-w).

Recent models are different and apparently use internal timers that rely on frequency and therefore the machine won't work--it displays this message: Power supply frequency is out of range.

I tried to find outlets that claim to be 220V/50Hz and found these:

Do they convert the 60Hz to 50Hz, or how do they operate exactly? Is that all I need?

I appreciate your assistance.

Machavity
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TL;DR A different receptacle will not change voltage, frequency or anything about the electricity. It just changes the physical configuration.

But there are devices to change voltage and/or frequency. It gets complicated...

It is easy to change voltage. In fact, your utility sends electricity at thousands of volts and it is converted to 120/240 in the US, varying but similar voltage elsewhere in the world. For a long time there have been small travel transformers to convert, for example, 240V to 120V so that a traveling American could use their small appliances around the world or Europeans to use their small appliances in the US. And since most US homes have either 240V or 208V power available, it is not that hard to wire up an appropriate receptacle for European appliances.

However, frequency is a different story altogether. It is hard to change frequency. In fact one of the easiest ways might be a double conversion UPS - AC 60Hz to DC to AC 50 Hz, but I don't know if anyone makes such a device for routine use at a reasonable price.

For a lot of things, frequency hardly matters. The most common issue that I am aware of is not timing - typical appliances now use digital timers that don't care about line frequency at all. It is large motors, which will run at the wrong speed and might have major problems. I suspect the frequency detection you found isn't about getting timing right but about making sure you don't have motor problems.

Unless there is a great need (one of a kind medical device?) I highly recommend getting an appliance that is either designed for 60 Hz or flexible 50/60 Hz.


To address the issue of voltage, hot, neutral, etc. which has been discussed extensively in comments:

Most typical AC-powered consumer devices - lights, heaters, computers, coffee makers, vacuum cleaners, toasters, TVs, etc. - around the world today are designed for, broadly speaking, one of two power ranges:

  • 100V - 125V - This covers US/Canada, Japan and a number of other places. There is variance by country and also historical. For example, typical equipment (appliances, receptacles, switches, etc.) for the US/Canada are rated for 125V (or more) but the typical voltage is 120V and many devices still reference 110V.
  • 200V - 250V - This covers Europe, most of Asia, most of Africa, etc. It also covers US/Canada. The US/Canada standard split phase system delivers 120V between hot and neutral and either 208V or 240V (with some variance allowed there as well) between two hots. In places where 230V is the base consumer voltage then it is between hot and neutral with some higher voltage (e.g., 400V) between pairs of hots.

Some equipment, such as laptop power adapters, can actually use the entire 100V - 250V range.

Without a ground or neutral specific reference, there is no practical way for a device to "know" whether it is on a 240V system (like Europe) or on a 120V/240V system (like US/Canada). And it doesn't actually matter.

Where it can matter is safety. In the US/Canada (but not necessarily everywhere else) neutral and ground are bonded. Which means that if neutral and ground touch each other and you have a metal case that is bonded to ground, nothing will happen. That can be good for safety (a properly wired US/Canada light fixture with bulb sockets is installed so that the more accessible part of the socket is neutral rather than hot, which makes changing light bulbs relatively safe even if the hot wire is live), but in some cases (3-wire dryer connections with a broken neutral and a wet floor) be very dangerous.

But since many non-US/Canada systems don't have grounded receptacles everywhere (they still aren't everywhere in the US/Canada but most houses have plenty of them even if they still have some two-wire receptacles) and many systems are not polarized to force the hot/neutral configuration, best practice is to design consumer equipment for international use in one of a few ways:

  • Both current carrying conductors fully insulated from any user access (i.e., little fingers).
  • Plastic case or, if metal is used then no intentional contact between any current-carrying conductors or other "live" components and the case.

If built properly (and that is the job of UL, ETL, etc. to make sure equipment is designed and built properly) then the end result is that ~200V - ~250V equipment can be used in different countries around the world with the only change needed being the power cord/plug. Computers and many other consumer electronics take advantage of this by using a removable cord and including a different cord depending on the destination. Notably, some low-end laser printers include a permanently attached cord and that actually makes sense because while the control electronics are identical for 100V - 250V, the fuser (a heater that melts the toner onto the paper) is generally different for ~120V vs. ~240V.

The one exception to "anything 200V - 250V is pretty much the same everywhere" is frequency. Which is where this all started.

manassehkatz-Moving 2 Codidact
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No they do not convert the frequency.

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No, sockets don't change frequency. Changing frequency requires very complex electronics comparable to a VFD (Variable Frequency Drive). Basically a DC power supply coupled to a DC/AC inverter. The thing would be the size of a toaster and have cooling fans.

I would consult with the factory on whether they would support 60 Hz.

Coffee makers are resistance heaters and DC electronics. Neither one cares what the frequency is. It's not a "clock" thing. If it was, the coffee maker would work and then do everything 18% faster. They have silicon electronics in there, which runs on DC, and they have added circuitry and cost to allow them to detect the frequency. They have done that for a reason.

Obviously some coffee maker manufacturers are taking a big stand on 60Hz operation, and other manufacturers are not. The answer is "To heck with the ones who impede you". Deny them your business.

Your other option is to use a European online UPS - the specific kind that does not have a transfer switch, but runs in inverter mode all the time and has an AC-DC converter supplying the DC to the inverter. Since this type is DC-coupled (and does not care what the input frequency is), it will cheerfully make 50Hz all day and not know it's not in Europe.

You may ask yourself "why are you proposing a box with an AC-DC converter, DC-AC converter and a battery when the battery is superfluous to this task?" The answer is "economies of scale". UPS's are sold by the millions. 50Hz-locked VFDs, not so much.

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The wall plug is a dumb device.

Behind the cover it has some wires going in and bringing Power(Voltage and current). On the other side it is the plug you see where you plug in.

It does noting other than bringing the power from one side to the other side without changing anything.

Frequency:

Can be described as how often the power goes on and off (yes it does that)

It does that very very fast so you do not notice. We call that Alternating power.

It is measured in Hertz. In US it does that at 60 Herz, means 60 times per second. In Europe it does that at 50 Hertz. It is so fast you can not see it since our eyes are to slow for that. If you could see it you would see the lights flicker.

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The outlet is nothing but wire terminals assembled in a case so a plug can have "proper" connection. Some outlets have a security fuse or breaker.

None of above do anything to voltage, frequency or any other property of the mains.

The only thing that will chage after replacing the outlet with outlet used in EU is this: You will need to use european plugs.

You technically can use the outlet for 230V 50Hz, 220V 60Hz, 110V 60Hz and even for 24VDC, 12VDC or any other of your choice.

BUT it will be as wise as cleaning your ears with a rusty nail.

You know, if you see european outlet you expect it is powered to european standard, if you see U.S. outlet, you expect american standard.

If you want to achieve 60Hz to 50Hz conversion you need dedicated AC-DC-AC converter.

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Those 'outlets' will absolutely NOT change voltage or frequency. They are just very pricey custom outlets for specific installation.

A power supply that converts 60 to 50 hz will be expensive. How much current does the coffee maker require? $1000-1500 would not shock me.

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No, a simple power outlet will not change the frequency. The outlets you mentioned in the question are just power outlets with extra protection in some specific environments (either wet or with dangerous chemicals), but they seem overpriced to me.

To convert the frequency you would need a device such as this one: https://www.amazon.com/220-Volt-50Hz-Power-Source/dp/B091JDHJH3/ (this is not a recommendation to buy, it's just a sample to see how it is supposed to look like). However, this seems to me like too much trouble just to have some coffee.

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